226 Schools Are Eligible For The Mid-Major Poll...

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And Hofstra is one of eight schools ranked in the Men's and Women's polls.
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Hofstra is now 22nd in the Men's Mid-Major Poll but is 7th among those schools in the RPI. Hofstra is 33rd in the RPI but trails Oakland (Michigan) (177th in the RPI) and Stephen F. Austin (198th in the RPI) in the Mid-Major Poll. UNC Wilmington is 42nd in the Men's Mid-Major Poll but is 3rd among those schools in the RPI. Of the 22 conferences eligible for the Mid-Major Poll, the CAA is second in the Conference RPI but 12th in where its top team in the Mid-Major Poll is. Hofstra passed Northeastern to be the top CAA team in the Mid-Major Poll. The Women's Mid-Major Poll comes out tomorrow.
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The women moved up to 21st. They were 24th last week.
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REALLY love to see both the men and women do big damage this yr on the national stage come march...
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Hofstra leads the CAA in the mid major poll this week, coming in at 23. CofC and Northeastern follow at 24 and 25. JMU is the first team receiving votes, and W&M and UNCW are also receiving votes.
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Hofstra re-entered the Men's Poll in 21st, which leads the CAA. Hofstra is 19th in the Women's Poll, and they didn't lose last week, so they should still be ranked in the poll that comes out later today.
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The women moved up to 17th, which also leads the CAA. JMU used to lead, but they fell all the way from 12 to 20. William and Mary is 25th after being the top team receiving votes last week, and Elon is still receiving votes.
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Hofstra's Men fell out of the Mid-Major Poll, where the CAA gets no respect. There are 23 conferences worse than the CAA in the Conference RPI, and a majority of them (12) have their top team in the Mid-Major Poll ahead of William & Mary, who is 24th and the only ranked CAA team. North Florida and Oakland (Michigan) are ahead of every CAA team in the Mid-Major Poll, but 6 CAA teams have a better RPI than North Florida and 7 CAA teams have a better RPI than Oakland (Michigan).
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I'm disappointed that Hofstra didn't re-enter the Mid Major Poll. William & Mary is 54th in the RPI. They're 8th in the RPI among teams eligible for the Mid Major Poll, but they're only 43rd in the Mid Major Poll.
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EvanJ wrote:I'm disappointed that Hofstra didn't re-enter the Mid Major Poll. William & Mary is 54th in the RPI. They're 8th in the RPI among teams eligible for the Mid Major Poll, but they're only 43rd in the Mid Major Poll.
it isnt based on data it is a popularity contest. coaches vote.
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pridehoops2015 wrote:
EvanJ wrote: I'm disappointed that Hofstra didn't re-enter the Mid Major Poll. William & Mary is 54th in the RPI. They're 8th in the RPI among teams eligible for the Mid Major Poll, but they're only 43rd in the Mid Major Poll.
it isnt based on data it is a popularity contest. coaches vote.
I know what polls are based on. I'm still surprised that human opinion (the Mid Major Poll) and a formula (the RPI) that doesn't know what reputation or past success a school has had could be so far apart. Here is a list of the teams 50 or more spots behind William & Mary in the RPI and ahead of William & Mary in the Mid Major Poll:

Southern Illinois
North Florida
Mercer
Wright State
Stephen F. Austin
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi
Tennessee State
Oakland (Michigan)
Navy
Pepperdine
Northern Iowa (9-11 record while playing in a conference worse than the CAA)
Nebraska-Omaha
Albany
Montana
Columbia
Toledo

Princeton, who is 61st in the RPI and 40th in the Mid Major Poll, is also way underrated in the Mid Major Poll.
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To be fair in regards to the Mid Major Top 25 this week, I think the top 15 schools have a strong argument to be ranked ahead of us based on performance, and we have losses to JMU and Stony Brook who are ranked 19 and 20 respectively. But the MMT25 just a coaches poll, with a slight bias towards southern and midwestern teams based on the pollsters schools

The RPI doesn't really measure performance, rather, it measures how deserving a team is to be in the NCAA Tournament based on their win-loss record. The only variable in RPI other than straight up wins and losses is whether a team wins or loses at home, on the road, or at neutral sites. So in my opinion at least, the RPI really isn't a great tool to judge where a team should be ranked until the end of the year.

The RPI has good value in late February and March, when the vast majority of games have been played, and the selection committee has to choose which school is more deserving between two teams that have very few common opponents, but even now in late January, where you stand in the RPI doesn't matter all that much, Pomeroy and Sagarin are much more valuable right now.
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Nobody should lose sleep over a mid major poll or RPI rankings. Win in Baltimore. Period.
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http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php

UNC Wilmington (22nd) and Hofstra (24th) are the only ranked teams in the CAA. William & Mary is 39th in the RPI and 33rd in the Mid-Major Poll.
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Hofstra is 26th (first in Others Receiving Votes) in the Mid-Major Poll and 17th among Mid-Majors in the RPI. UNCW in 17th is the only CAA team ranked. Princeton is underrated. They're 41st among all teams in the RPI and entered the Mid-Major Poll in 25th. Yale (undefeated in the Ivy League) at Princeton (1 Ivy League loss) on Friday is a big game, especially considering that there isn't a conference tournament.
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just as an off-topic discussion, why do you think Princeton is underrated? Just because they have 1 Ivy loss? The Ivy league isn't super strong this yr - Harvard is down, Columbia is pretty decent, Yale may be making a run... but I don't see any of them as underrated right now - have you seen them play (I have not)?

I have an issue with any poll or ranking where the little napoleons are higher than HU considering HU has beat them soundly twice, and their win over NC State has way past lost it's luster - wolfpack is terrible this yr
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Polito wrote: just as an off-topic discussion, why do you think Princeton is underrated? Just because they have 1 Ivy loss? The Ivy league isn't super strong this yr - Harvard is down, Columbia is pretty decent, Yale may be making a run... but I don't see any of them as underrated right now - have you seen them play (I have not)?
I think the Ivy League will be satisfied with being 16th in the Conference RPI. The Ivy League had an average rank of 17.5th over the last six complete seasons, and most of those seasons were before the American Athletic Conference was created. Comparing Princeton to the three teams right above them in the Mid-Major Poll; Oakland (Michigan), Belmont, and New Mexico State; Princeton is the best of the four in winning percentage, strength of schedule, point differential per game, and is in the best conference of the four. Princeton lost their 4 hardest games by double-digits, but also has 9 of its 15 Division I wins by double-digits. To compare, UNC Wilmington has 10 double-digit Division I wins against a worse schedule, William & Mary has 7 double-digit Division I wins against a better schedule, and Hofstra has 6 double-digit Division I wins against about the same schedule. Princeton has no bad losses, and I think some of the teams ranked ahead of them in the Mid-Major Poll would have lost games that Princeton won.
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In this week's mid major poll, "Hofsta" (yes, they actually spelled it wrong) checks in at #24 after being unranked last week. UNCW is 25, and JMU and W&M are both receiving votes.
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php
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