NIT Thread

[triplec2195]

I wish we would just embrace what we've so diligently earned and not turn this NIT topic into this contention dialogue of how r seeding sucks(true) and how badly the CAA sucks. It's like talking about growing old with the retort it's better then the alternative. So here it is we draw a very competitive team from the ACC that we would love to beat it would only be a plus on our resume ALSO couldn't hurt on the recruiting front but we need to come up big here. I'm sure the coaching staff would love to beat Keatts he seems to me to have an awful lot of swagger AND WE HAVE HISTORY AGAINST HIM. Lets forget all the peripheral bickering and nonsense and focus on a winning discussion here. How bad do u think JWF wants to win this and show some people in a Tourney that he's not just another good player from a mid-major school. I like the idea that we're here with the CHANCE to beat a team that has a pedigree. Would anyone prefer to play in the CBI? Lets win this for the smaller schools that get screwed on so many levels in college sports and I think the fact that we have moved the CAA tourney from down South to a more north venue seems like a plus!! Just my take!!

[daHUPride]

Seeding really does not matter. If we're that good and NCSU is that good, we would face them or somebody equally as tough in the second round anyway.

To be the best you have to play the best.

That said, I agree 100% about the comments on the CAA and its so-called leadership. It is a terrible conference for us. Has been for years.

The seedings in this is not a big deal - I agree.
Yes - to advance - we'll be playing some pretty good teams.
I think in our case - the seedings are just a lack of respect of what we accomplished during the season and the lack of proper promotion by the CAA to get its teams recognized.

[Wags]

Did Hofstra get screwed again? Yeah.

Could the CAA commissioner have advocated more (or, at all)? Yes.

But usually, a conference (if it advocates at all) tries to advocate for an NCAAT bubble team to get that team into the NCAAT. Realistically, what conference out there advocates for better seeding in the NIT for one of its teams that was already guaranteed a spot in that tournament? When do we ever hear of that? Yet, we're somehow supposed to be outraged that the CAA commissioner didn't do that? Disappointed, sure. But the outrage over it is a little over the top for what it is. Yeah, he could've done a better job with that, but in the grand scheme of things, no commissioner really does that with the NIT in any league, and Hofstra being under-seeded is a result of why HU always gets screwed - you need to win something first to get a reputation. In their entire D-I history, they have 4 NCAAT trips, 0 NCAAT wins, 5 NIT trips, a 2-5 NIT record, an 0-3 record in the garbage CBI, and no postseason wins at all since their two NIT wins in 2006. Did we expect more respect off of that? Off of no postseason wins at all in the past dozen years? Let's be realistic here. That's simply how it works. Make some legit postseason noise, get more respect next time. Not much different than a player earning more respect and playing time by actually showing something on the floor.

And yeah, the seeding really doesn't matter all that much in the NIT. The higher seeds often don't make it to MSG. How teams are seeded is a show of respect or lack thereof before the NIT. Once it starts, it's all how teams play. Being under-seeded is actually a good thing for Hofstra. It should allow them to play with a chip on their collective shoulder to prove something to everyone else. For a mid-major like them, that's exactly how they should be approaching the NIT. Don't like being a 7 seed? Go out and prove to everyone that you should've been a 3 or a 4 seed, defeat a beatable 2 seed on their floor, and make it to the next round.

[Flying Dutchmen]

I wish we would just embrace what we've so diligently earned and not turn this NIT topic into this contention dialogue of how r seeding sucks(true) and how badly the CAA sucks. It's like talking about growing old with the retort it's better then the alternative. So here it is we draw a very competitive team from the ACC that we would love to beat it would only be a plus on our resume ALSO couldn't hurt on the recruiting front but we need to come up big here. I'm sure the coaching staff would love to beat Keatts he seems to me to have an awful lot of swagger AND WE HAVE HISTORY AGAINST HIM. Lets forget all the peripheral bickering and nonsense and focus on a winning discussion here. How bad do u think JWF wants to win this and show some people in a Tourney that he's not just another good player from a mid-major school. I like the idea that we're here with the CHANCE to beat a team that has a pedigree. Would anyone prefer to play in the CBI? Lets win this for the smaller schools that get screwed on so many levels in college sports and I think the fact that we have moved the CAA tourney from down south South to a more north venue seems like a plus!! Just my take!!

Yes!

This is the game we want, and it's a short flight. Who gives a damn about the seed, we got a major team from the ACC, did you want to play Lipscomb or Greensboro instead? If we win get G'Town or Harvard, that's awesome. It's the NIT for God's sake!

I don't even think we got particularly screwed, our SOS was a joke. Maybe the CAA should create some guidelines for the quality of their schools OOC schedules, but we're not in the MAAC, why do we have to play every team in that conference? Control what you can control before we start playing the victim card.

[Wags]

I wish we would just embrace what we've so diligently earned and not turn this NIT topic into this contention dialogue of how r seeding sucks(true) and how badly the CAA sucks. It's like talking about growing old with the retort it's better then the alternative. So here it is we draw a very competitive team from the ACC that we would love to beat it would only be a plus on our resume ALSO couldn't hurt on the recruiting front but we need to come up big here. I'm sure the coaching staff would love to beat Keatts he seems to me to have an awful lot of swagger AND WE HAVE HISTORY AGAINST HIM. Lets forget all the peripheral bickering and nonsense and focus on a winning discussion here. How bad do u think JWF wants to win this and show some people in a Tourney that he's not just another good player from a mid-major school. I like the idea that we're here with the CHANCE to beat a team that has a pedigree. Would anyone prefer to play in the CBI? Lets win this for the smaller schools that get screwed on so many levels in college sports and I think the fact that we have moved the CAA tourney from down south South to a more north venue seems like a plus!! Just my take!!

Yes!

This is the game we want, and it's a short flight. Who gives a damn about the seed, we got a major team from the ACC, did you want to play Lipscomb or Greensboro instead? If we win get G'Town or Harvard, that's awesome. It's the NIT for God's sake!

I don't even think we got particularly screwed, our SOS was a joke. Maybe the CAA should create some guidelines for the quality of their schools OOC schedules, but we're not in the MAAC, why do we have to play every team in that conference? Control what you can control before we start playing the victim card.

Agree about having to play so many MAAC teams, but I wouldn't call OOC schedule a joke. Just didn't get it done, but it's not like the opportunities weren't on the schedule. Had HU beaten VCU and Maryland, they might've received an NCAAT at-large, at 29-5, with wins over an NCAAT 8 seed and a 6 seed. At the very least, they'd have gotten one of the higher NIT seeds in that case. Still should have anyway (see UNCG, similar to HU... 15-3 in conference, 28-6 overall, took their shot against LSU and Kentucky, but lost both, no great OOC wins to speak of, beat Furman twice, but went 0-3 vs. Wofford... 60 NET, HU a 73 NET... yet UNCG got a 1 seed in the same NIT bracket as HU). It's not like HU was that far off (two-point loss in OT to one, led the other on their floor by 8 in the second half, and were only down 5 with 10 to play). Who they actually beat OOC was lacking, but that doesn't mean the schedule was.

p.s. ironcially, speaking of UNCG, their biggest win was 111-33 over a lower-division team called the Greensboro Pride (!).

[HUSID74]

ESPN gives us a 13.4 % chance of winning....I believe that is way too low.

[Wags]

ESPN gives us a 13.4 % chance of winning....I believe that is way too low.

Not if you consider that NC State is a 9 1/2-point favorite at home.

[Flying Dutchmen]

Agree about having to play so many MAAC teams, but I wouldn't call OOC schedule a joke. Just didn't get it done, but it's not like the opportunities weren't on the schedule. Had HU beaten VCU and Maryland, they might've received an NCAAT at-large, at 29-5, with wins over an NCAAT 8 seed and a 6 seed. It's not like they were that far off (two-point loss in OT to one, led the other on their floor by 8 in the second half, and were only down 5 with 10 to play). Who they actually beat OOC was lacking, but that doesn't mean the schedule was.

The schedule was an embarrassment. Pomeroy had us with 329th OOC SOS, the NET probably wouldn't be too much different, but is not released. We didn't play competitive mid-majors either, just D.O.A. squads. That's one of the main reasons why we thought our defense was better than it was. One A-10, no Big East, one power 5 team. There was never a chance for an at-large. Obviously you can't control how other teams are going to play throughout the year, but we knew we weren't facing murderers row.

[HofstraHockey]

It's a combination of saying "we need to play more local schools to drum up interest!" and wanting to put W's on the board. St. John's isn't going to give Hofstra the time of day anymore, so let's get beyond that. Who else is that good around here? Seton Hall?

[Cards]

It's a combination of saying "we need to play more local schools to drum up interest!" and wanting to put W's on the board. St. John's isn't going to give Hofstra the time of day anymore, so let's get beyond that. Who else is that good around here? Seton Hall?

Seton Hall, UConn, Providence, URI, Rutgers, Temple, Georgetown, GW, Villanova, Penn State, Syracuse - all are not too far away to consider. The question is "would they want to play HU?"

[HUSID74]

There is absolutely no benefit for them to play us...a win for them does nothing and a loss hurts them...It's a conundrum, to get an at large you need to play a better schedule, but no one will play....problem goes back to our conference. We Are from the two bid days for the CAA and I don't see them coming back soon.

We are kind of stuck right now in no man's land.

[Wags]

Agree about having to play so many MAAC teams, but I wouldn't call OOC schedule a joke. Just didn't get it done, but it's not like the opportunities weren't on the schedule. Had HU beaten VCU and Maryland, they might've received an NCAAT at-large, at 29-5, with wins over an NCAAT 8 seed and a 6 seed. It's not like they were that far off (two-point loss in OT to one, led the other on their floor by 8 in the second half, and were only down 5 with 10 to play). Who they actually beat OOC was lacking, but that doesn't mean the schedule was.

The schedule was an embarrassment. Pomeroy had us with 329th OOC SOS, the NET probably wouldn't be too much different, but is not released. We didn't play competitive mid-majors either, just D.O.A. squads. That's one of the main reasons why we thought our defense was better than it was. One A-10, no Big East, one power 5 team. There was never a chance for an at-large. Obviously you can't control how other teams are going to play throughout the year, but we knew we weren't facing murderers row.

The rest of the OOC schedule was weak, no argument there. But you don't think if they're 29-5 with wins over teams that are seeded 6 and 8 in the NCAAT, they have a shot at an at-large, especially when people like Dick Vitale were yelling about UNCG being treated unfairly?

Take a look at UNCG's OOC schedule:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... /_/id/2430

Other than playing LSU and Kentucky, both of which they lost to, who did they play OOC? You know who four of them were? NC A&T, UNCW, Delaware, Elon (sound familiar?).

In conference, they went 0-for-3 against Wofford.

They were 28-6, a mere one game better than Hofstra's 27-7.

If you discount their TWO wins against lower-level teams and HU's win over Rosemont, UNCG had the same 26 D-I wins that Hofstra had.

Also, the same 15-3 record in their league that Hofstra was in the CAA.

Yet UNCG was considered an NCAAT snub by many and got a 1 seed in the NIT, while Hofstra obviously got a 7 seed in the NIT.

Look at UNCG's OOC wins and their very top-heavy league without much else in it (once again, sound familiar?) and tell me why they were so much more deserving of NCAAT consideration and a much better NIT seed than Hofstra.

[Wags]

to get an at large you need to play a better schedule, but no one will play

Huh?

Hofstra played an 8 seed and a 6 seed in this year's NCAAT, both on the road! Why do we keep talking about this year's OOC schedule as if it didn't include those games. I know they were months ago, but did we all forget?!

Nearly won one of those two, was very competitive in the other. WIN those games. Win ONE.

[Mikey77]

Shut up and win the next basketball game. There will always be perceived and real inequities which you have to overcome or go home.

[HUSID74]

to get an at large you need to play a better schedule, but no one will play

Huh?

Hofstra played an 8 seed and a 6 seed in this year's NCAAT, both on the road! Why do we keep talking about this year's OOC schedule as if it didn't include those games. I know they were months ago, but did we all forget?!

Nearly won one of those two, was very competitive in the other. WIN those games. Win ONE.

Well aware Wags, but the P5 play 15 of those games so by accident they win a few...as you said, we need to win those games...no margin for error.

[joeg1]

We played Marshall, VCU, MD and maybe count SBU. Other than that, our OOC was probably all low 3rd to 4th quad

[triplec2195]

ESPN gives us a 13.4 % chance of winning....I believe that is way too low.

Not if you consider that NC State is a 9 1/2-point favorite at home.

And with their AD releasing this statement ;

RPI may be out, but the ghost of its controversies remain. The NCAA introduced "NET" for this season, a new metric to evaluate teams come bracket setting time, but NC State being left off of the bracket has some people scratching their heads. Specifically, Wolfpack AD Debbie Yow, who said that under the new evaluation process the Wolfpack should not be one of the first teams left out.

Yow released a statement through NC State's communications department on NC State's snub.

As Yow mentions, NET relies "game results, strength of schedule, game location, scoring margin, net offensive and defensive efficiency and the quality of wins and losses" to determine which teams get nods. Yow goes on to mention the Wolfpack's rankings in NET and other metrics. The team was 33rd in the NET.

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Yow concluded by saying that "we are disappointed for our athletes, coaches and fans that our total body of work was not rewarded with selection to the NCAA Tournament."

Yow did mention that NC State was 179th in strength of schedule, which may well have been the tipping point for a 22-11 team that was 9-9 in-conference. While we don't know what conversations are had behind closed doors, it's not unreasonable to think that in this case, the strength of schedule trumped NET for NC State.

When you think about how NC State might go into this game with a clearly looking to WALK THE WALK attitude We better bring our A game. No wide open look three's etc. While they have something to prove so do we trying to show everyone who's interested that we are a better team then the one that was 16 points down in the 1st half against NE.

[Jojogunne]

I wonder how much this cost:

https://twitter.com/HofstraMBB/status/1 ... 0380056582

[Wags]

Yow did mention that NC State was 179th in strength of schedule, which may well have been the tipping point for a 22-11 team that was 9-9 in-conference. While we don't know what conversations are had behind closed doors, it's not unreasonable to think that in this case, the strength of schedule trumped NET for NC State.

This is exactly why the NET, and before, the RPI, BPI, any of those tools, are all completely useless because the committee didn't adhere to the old tools and doesn't adhere to the NET now.

There should BE no "SOS trumping NET" or NET trumping anything else, going the other way... the NET (like the RPI, BPI and other tools before it) is supposed to account for everything, including SOS. If your NET is still good, it's good even with a weak SOS. So, how can "a weak SOS trump NET" if NET is used correctly by the committee? It's such garbage. They pick who they want to pick and use any numbers or tools however they want to justify it. Just because we've gone from one tool to the next, now to NET, doesn't mean it's any less subjective (and sometimes political) than it ever was before.

[Wags]

I wonder how much this cost:

https://twitter.com/HofstraMBB/status/1 ... 0380056582

Whatever it is, it's money far better spent than paying to play in the CBI or CIT.