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Pride97 wrote: I think I heard HU was out rebounded - didn’t look at the box score but that can’t happen. I thought Kante would dominate the glass and it felt like they got a bunch of offensive rebounds.

Wags wrote:

stuball888 wrote: Let them do that next year in front of a crowd. Let them do it during Military Appreciation night. See what the reaction will be.

That's exactly the point. If EVERYONE follows the Constitution, no one should care. No one should feel pressured to not exercise their rights protected by the Constitution, whether in an empty arena, a full one, or anything in between. Many veterans have said that's the reason they served and fought overseas, to protect that right. We are a free country with certain rights protected by our Constitution. Everyone should be respecting those rights.

Wags wrote: Who's to say it's not the time or place? Maybe sporting events aren't the time and place for the national anthem. Just play the game. I don't hear the national anthem before a concert, which would arguably more appropriate since that involves music.

EvanJ wrote:

Pride97 wrote: I think I heard HU was out rebounded - didn’t look at the box score but that can’t happen. I thought Kante would dominate the glass and it felt like they got a bunch of offensive rebounds.

In the first half we had more rebounds 19 to 14. In the second half they had more rebounds 23 to 14. That made 37 to 33. Keep in mind that since most rebounds are defensive, it's hard to have more rebounds if you miss more shots. It sounds strange to say, but rebounding amounts measures more than just rebounding ability. https://static.caasports.com/custompage ... NFLDRS.HTM has 21 team statistics, and one-third are rebounding. There's rebounding offensive (which I think is a poor term to describe a team's rebounds), rebounding defense (which I think is a poor term to describe opponent's rebounds), rebounding margin, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, offensive rebounding percentage, and defensive rebounding percentage. In addition to rebounding margin, you can add a team's defensive rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage and above 1.000 is good. Defensive rebounding percentage would be like if in baseball you took 1 minus your opponents' batting average and called it defensive batting average. We have a defensive percentage of .724 and an offensive percentage of .298 for a sum of 1.022. After outrebounding us yesterday, JMU's sum is 1.005.

Wags wrote:

stuball888 wrote:
I would have zero issue if sporting events stopped playing anthem.
Let them do that next year in front of a crowd. Let them do it during Military Appreciation night. See what the reaction will be.

That's exactly the point. If EVERYONE follows the Constitution, no one should care. No one should feel pressured to not exercise their rights protected by the Constitution, whether in an empty arena, a full one, or anything in between. Many veterans have said that's the reason they served and fought overseas, to protect that right. We are a free country with certain rights protected by our Constitution. Everyone should be respecting those rights.

This is unrelated to the team, but a unique way to show how the country is divided would be to write a dystopian story about people only using businesses they agree with politically. For example, imagine if only Republicans at McDonald's and only Democrats ate Wendy's. As it is, if you display the American flag some people will assume you are a Republican.

Wags wrote: Who's to say it's not the time or place? Maybe sporting events aren't the time and place for the national anthem. Just play the game. I don't hear the national anthem before a concert, which would arguably more appropriate since that involves music.

Somebody wrote to Newsday that since the anthem isn't played before concerts, religious services, and other events, it shouldn't be played before games. A few years ago, a USA Today writer said that we should stop playing the anthem because playing it started because of a war that doesn't matter now and that people buy food and vape during it.

EvanJ wrote: This is unrelated to the team, but a unique way to show how the country is divided would be to write a dystopian story about people only using businesses they agree with politically. For example, imagine if only Republicans at McDonald's and only Democrats ate Wendy's.

EvanJ wrote: As it is, if you display the American flag some people will assume you are a Republican.

EvanJ wrote: Somebody wrote to Newsday that since the anthem isn't played before concerts, religious services, and other events, it shouldn't be played before games. A few years ago, a USA Today writer said that we should stop playing the anthem because playing it started because of a war that doesn't matter now and that people buy food and vape during it.

Hofstra wrote:More defense on this thread than Hofstra has played all season.

fiftiespride wrote: Wags, I completely agree with your comments on Saturdays game and more importantly also on social issues. Patriotism is no more about the rituals than being religious is. Honoring the values by behaving accordingly is.

fiftiespride wrote: Many of us kneel to pray, some to propose; there is nothing inherently more respectful about standing than kneeling. We have LEARNED certain behaviors are appropriate and when not followed we often become more outraged than we do at the inequities it protests. I understand the feelings of resentment or this is not the time or place. I came to be entertained not to be provoked by some political spectacle for some cause I may not understand. I understand them because I felt them when John Carlos and Tommy Smith engaged in the black power salute on the medal stand at the 1968 Mexico Olympic games. 53 years ago most of you were young pups and some not even around yet but I was a young man of 31 and remember clearly my feelings paralleling some of yours now.
The hatred and opprobrium that rained down on these men cost them friends, a marriage in Carlos' case, job opportunities and followed them for years. Both have said they wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Smith said: " we were just human beings who saw a need to bring attention to the inequality in our country. I don't like the idea of people looking at it as a negative. There was nothing but a raised fist in the air and a bowed head acknowledging the American flag- not symbolizing hatred for it." Interestingly world reaction was far more favorable than here in the US. Norman, an Aussie, who finished between them in the 200 asked not to be included in the statue symbolizing the moment(at San Jose St.) so that others could have their picture taken standing between them. They were both pall bearers at Normans' funeral and Carlos was asked to give the eulogy. As Wags notes social change comes slowly.

fiftiespride wrote: It is unfortunate just how tribal we have become and I salute the board for just how apolitical it has largely remained. We are joined by our love for Hofstra and particularly our athletics. Let's all do what we can to promote and advance it.