MBB Game 4 - @ San Jose State, 11/17/22, 10 PM EST

[Pride97]

Settled for 3s way too much in the first half. Glad they settled down in the 2nd and diversified their offense.

Will take a road win all day. Hopefully they build off the 2nd half going into the St. Mary’s game.


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[Hofstra]

What a win.. LFGGGGGGGG

[Wags]

lol low tolerance for nonsense in my seasoned age

NO reason for this game to have been played the way it has been. Completely unnecessary, and I am not pleased with the staff in this one.

Serious? They won by nine. 54-35 in the second half. Can't take the temperature of the team at every media timeout. Big picture view. 4-0 is 4-0, especially with a challenging schedule. Not easy to fly out to CA after big, tough wins over Iona and GW. A slow start with a big second half is fine in that scenario. How are you gonna make it through the season?

[stuball888]

It’s a win and I’ll take it basically a tale of 2 halves that’s why they play 40 minutes what will be interesting are the highlights what are they gonna show the last six minutes of the game a shooting free throws 24 out of 30 that’s where the game was put away but it was our defense in the second half that turn the game around

[Wags]

AE with the dagger.

Will take the W of course, but there was NO reason for this game to be this close - terrible plan, terrible coaching, and pretty poor play overall. Highly disappointed in Speedy and staff. I expect MUCH better - year 2, you beat better teams the first 3, and this game was too close not because SJU is so good, but because HU didn't play properly.

They made some adjustments in the 2nd but that first was ridiculous. Not needed. I expect better from guys like Speedy and TP. Do better Speedy and TP - you two know enough of the game to not do crap like that.

All in all, HU played to lose but still managed to win. I'm not saying congrats, but certainly happy with being 4-0. SJU was another team who was literally just one player - once HU started playing tighter D on him, it turned the tide. Glad to see that, but again HU made this game hard on themselves.

They got away with one here, but need to get their act together more against Saint Mary's. But unlike most here I'm sure, I believe fully that HU can and just might win that game.

By the way. Tonight, St. John's trailed Nebraska, 27-20, at halftime at Carnesseca. Won 70-50. That's just basketball sometimes. No one will be talking about that first half at Carnesseca just as no one should worry too much about the first half in San Jose tonight.

[Polito]

Quit being silly, NEVER said that, but the game plan was BAD to nonexistent and was unnecessary in the first. They did a terrible job tonight. Forcing a bad game plan and getting lucky to win isn't a badge of honor. It's ridiculous. They need to be better, sorry. Getting a lucky is nice, but let's try having some higher standards please.

Very happy with the W, with ANY win, already said that - but this was not a good game by this staff or team. And guess what? GASP That's actually ok to say. GASP

Too much homerism, when they deserve criticism have the nads to do it. Doesn't make you bad fan, shows you a knowledgable thinking one with working eyes. Settling for and forcing 3's isn't a game plan. There's a reason Pitino made note of that. It's dumb. Sticking with that doesn't make you smart - you need to adjust. And they didn't - they adjusted. THAT'S why they won, not because they kept playing the exact same way - they did not, and that's why they won, in addition to SJU showing only one dimension.

They aren't infallible for goodness sake HUSID. There was absolutely no reason for this game to go the way it did. SJU is likely going to finish LAST or close to it in the MWC. HU should've won this game by 20.

Which by the way, is what CofC beat a much better DAVIDSON team by tonight. Raise the bar.

Like I said, take any W all day - but they need to be better than this going forward.

[Wags]

Hofstra started the game 5/19 from the floor, finished 20/30.

San Jose State started 23/42 from the floor, then went 3/18 before finishing a harmless 5/7.

I'm fine with that. The 30 was the majority of their shots. Simply a slow start, on floor they never play on after a cross-country flight.
The 23/42 and 7/12 from 3 wasn't good, but they got the 3/18 when they needed it most and that helped turn the game. This was a quality win.

Funny how similar the scores have been in their four wins:

Scored: 83, 83, 85, 85
Allowed: 77, 78, 80, 76

[EvanJ]

Our last streak of at least 4 wins all by 6 or fewer points was from January 13 through 21, 2001, so we could do that for the first time since joining the CAA.

And kudos to you for this interesting nugget - thank you.

That was from Jerry. We ended up trailing by 14 and ending the streak by winning by more than 6.

We had three players score double-digits, three scored 8 or 9, and Carlos had 6 points, 4 rebounds, and 3 assists. We shot great, had a great assist/turnover, and did not commit many fouls. You can complain about Dubar shooting threes 1-7. He averaged exactly 3.5 threes attempted per game last season, and he should not keep trying if he's 0-3 or worse. We had only 3 offensive rebounds, but with our lack of height it is okay to get outrebounded by 2. San Jose State became the first team to have at least 21 assists and 9 or fewer turnovers against Hofstra since Villanova on December 22, 2017. That was 147 games ago.

[Wags]

Quit being silly, NEVER said that, but the game plan was BAD to nonexistent and was unnecessary in the first. They did a terrible job tonight. Forcing a bad game plan and getting lucky to win isn't a badge of honor. It's ridiculous. They need to be better, sorry. Getting a lucky is nice, but let's try having some higher standards please.

Very happy with the W, with ANY win, already said that - but this was not a good game by this staff or team. And guess what? GASP That's actually ok to say. GASP

Too much homerism, when they deserve criticism have the nads to do it. Doesn't make you bad fan, shows you a knowledgable thinking one with working eyes. Settling for and forcing 3's isn't a game plan. There's a reason Pitino made note of that. It's dumb. Sticking with that doesn't make you smart - you need to adjust. And they didn't - they adjusted. THAT'S why they won, not because they kept playing the exact same way - they did not, and that's why they won, in addition to SJU showing only one dimension.

They aren't infallible for goodness sake HUSID. There was absolutely no reason for this game to go the way it did. SJU is likely going to finish LAST or close to it in the MWC. HU should've won this game by 20.

Which by the way, is what CofC beat a much better DAVIDSON team by tonight. Raise the bar.

Like I said, take any W all day - but they need to be better than this going forward.

I don't think anyone here defended that first half. But when you have a 54-35 second half and win by nine, I think you throw that first half out and move on. You know how basketball goes. How many times have we seen that? Put it this way... if you're saying this now, I can only imagine what you'd be saying if they had the first half San Jose State had and then had SanJose State's second half and lost by nine.

[EvanJ]

I checked the Sports-Reference College Basketball Play Index, which goes back to 2010-2011, and it was the first time we won 85-76 during that time.

https://gohofstra.com/sports/mens-baske ... core/12264 is the box score. Both teams had six players play a majority of the game, and I wish I could find out how rare that is. The attendance of 1,652 is bad for a Mountain West team in a big city.

[Polito]

Certainly fair wags, and I will definitely concede that a second half smash like that makes it more tolerable. HU came out with an actual plan of attack, some adjustments in the second, just as they needed to. That's good, and they won, that's even better.

However I'm not conceding that it's ok to have that happen against a bottom of their league team - it isn't. I think this HU team can be VERY very good, like NCAAT good, based on what I'm seeing IMO. So my expectations and standards are high. It's a brand new year, this staff's rookie season honeymoon is over, and it's time for things to elevate with this program.

There is no reason for that first half. Zero. They inflicted that on themselves. I actually have no big frustration with the shooting - I want them to shoot as long as the shots are good ones to take. They aren't going to hit them all the time - that's part of the game.

Having no game plan for an entire half, allowing garbage to ensue, not even attempting to rebound the damn basketball, yeah no, that's not part of the game. That's bad coaching. And I am not accepting that from this staff year 2. That's the same kinda crap that has kept HU a 20 win team that sits home on it's a$$ every March staking claim to fame of being a 20 win team, like that matters.

That needs to stop being the bar for success with this program. It isn't. We should EXPECT to win that many. We should EXPECT to dance. This isn't HS. HU once again looks to have some of the better talent in the mid major landscape, and easily one of the best mid major players in the country, not just the CAA. With that comes great responsibility and therefore expectations - and that's ok. More than ok, that's how programs rise.

Again I say to Speedy and staff: DEMAND BETTER. And let's make some friggin noise!!!! 4-0, trust me I'm not mad lol, but DO BETTER and ROLL PRIDE!!!

[stuball888]

A special shout out to NBY he wound up with eight points and eight rebounds against a very big San Jose State team front line was 7 foot 6867 and the guys off the bench was 6 foot nine and 6 foot eight and they only outrebound did us 31 to 29 we had more block shots and made it to the one can’t wait for Williams to get in there so NBY doesn’t have to play 35+ minutes a game

[stuball888]

Ok guys its getting late get to bed and enjoy this win sweet dreams

[Wags]

Certainly fair wags, and I will definitely concede that a second half smash like that makes it more tolerable. HU came out with an actual plan of attack, some adjustments in the second, just as they needed to. That's good, and they won, that's even better.

However I'm not conceding that it's ok to have that happen against a bottom of their league team - it isn't. I think this HU team can be VERY very good, like NCAAT good, based on what I'm seeing IMO. So my expectations and standards are high. It's a brand new year, this staff's rookie season honeymoon is over, and it's time for things to elevate with this program.

There is no reason for that first half. Zero. They inflicted that on themselves. I actually have no big frustration with the shooting - I want them to shoot as long as the shots are good ones to take. They aren't going to hit them all the time - that's part of the game.

Having no game plan for an entire half, allowing garbage to ensue, not even attempting to rebound the damn basketball, yeah no, that's not part of the game. That's bad coaching. And I am not accepting that from this staff year 2. That's the same kinda crap that has kept HU a 20 win team that sits home on it's a$$ every March staking claim to fame of being a 20 win team, like that matters.

That needs to stop being the bar for success with this program. It isn't. We should EXPECT to win that many. We should EXPECT to dance. This isn't HS. HU once again looks to have some of the better talent in the mid major landscape, and easily one of the best mid major players in the country, not just the CAA. With that comes great responsibility and therefore expectations - and that's ok. More than ok, that's how programs rise.

Again I say to Speedy and staff: DEMAND BETTER. And let's make some friggin noise!!!! 4-0, trust me I'm not mad lol, but DO BETTER and ROLL PRIDE!!!

Outside of that one stretch when SJSU scored 17 straight, it was 31-24, Hofstra in the first half. So that half wasn't really as bad as it seemed.

And outside of that 17-0 run over the whole game, it was 85-59, Hofstra. So, they actually dominated for the vast majority of the game.

Those are two reasons I can excuse the first half as a whole, but more so because that 54-34 second half, really seizing control of the game and winning fairly comfortable down the stretch instead of just barely pulling it out late, shows me that the TEAM knows it underperformed and had a bad approach earlier and was willing and able to correct that in a big way after halftime. As long as they learn from times like that and grow, it's fine. No one needs to tell them. They know. And they showed that as the game wore on.

Big picture, we may find that the CAA will solidly become only a three-team race, with Hofstra included, for the autobid in D.C.

Record of CAA teams vs. DI teams over a small sample thus far...

Hostra/Towson/Charleston: 11-1 (the lone loss, Charleston at No. 1 UNC, with UNC trailing at half and only pulling away late)
Rest of the CAA vs. DI teams: 1-23 (the lone win, Drexel over former CAA friends ODU)

[Wags]

I checked the Sports-Reference College Basketball Play Index, which goes back to 2010-2011, and it was the first time we won 85-76 during that time.

We may have another Hofstragami score.

[triplec2195]

I didn't see the game so elated to see a win in the morning. Thanks for all the perspectives on the game for sure a tale of two halves. I think we have to realize that this is a team that for the most part will rely on shooting the three ball. We don't like to admit it but look at our stats after our first three games we were ranked number 5 in the country in 3 point percentage. Maybe the coaching staff is buying into this but such a small sample size. If it ain't broke why try to fix it could be the philosophy and a 3 is definitely better then a two any way you look at it. What I've seen from this team like no other team certainly in recent memory is their ball movement and working for open shots. This is a philosophy the coaches have preached and the team has bought into so hopefully we keep this approach and hit OPEN three's not try to make CIRCUS shots like we had to in the past. This is no longer a one and two player team it seems like everyone is capable of scoring but without the constant ONE ON ONE OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY. So great win its a 40 minute game so lets just dwell on the final score because after all that's all that counts and D-Stone stop shooting so many three's too streaky a shooter to rely on the three.

[HUSID80]

It appears the game will stream free on Mountain Sports Network:

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/chann ... t-network/

https://watchstadium.com/live/hofstra-a ... ose-state/ is the direct link.

if they go 7-2 the at large still slightly in play

10-2 nonconference vs. Division I, 15-3 in the CAA, and 2-1 in the CAA Tournament with a loss in the Final makes 27-6. I am guessing that we would not get an at-large bid with that record. The snubbed 2005-2006 team was 24-6 on Selection Sunday with an SOS that I think will be better than what we have this season. Any of of St. Mary's, Purdue, and South Florida would be looked at as a better win than any win the 2005-2006 team had. The tournament had 64 or 65 teams in 2006 compared to 68 now, but the top six conferences have three more teams now, the American Athletic Conference that did not exist in 2006 could get at-large bids, and top conferences get favored more by the Selection Committee.

Was surprised to see home court mean so much according to ESPN with Hofstra and Towson, but at least as of now, Towson has a 63.4% chance to beat Hofstra at Towson on 1/16, yet it's basically flipped, with Hofstra given a 66.4% chance to beat Towson in Hempstead on 2/2.

Since our probability is higher, it means ESPN thinks we are slightly better. Towson returned 67 percent of last season's points.

Evan, that 2005-06 team beat George Mason twice, once when they were ranked in the top 25. I would say those were pretty good wins.

[HUSID80]

I didn't see the game so elated to see a win in the morning. Thanks for all the perspectives on the game for sure a tale of two halves. I think we have to realize that this is a team that for the most part will rely on shooting the three ball. We don't like to admit it but look at our stats after our first three games we were ranked number 5 in the country in 3 point percentage. Maybe the coaching staff is buying into this but such a small sample size. If it ain't broke why try to fix it could be the philosophy and a 3 is definitely better then a two any way you look at it. What I've seen from this team like no other team certainly in recent memory is their ball movement and working for open shots. This is a philosophy the coaches have preached and the team has bought into so hopefully we keep this approach and hit OPEN three's not try to make CIRCUS shots like we had to in the past. This is no longer a one and two player team it seems like everyone is capable of scoring but without the constant ONE ON ONE OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY. So great win its a 40 minute game so lets just dwell on the final score because after all that's all that counts and D-Stone stop shooting so many three's too streaky a shooter to rely on the three.

Right now we are relying on the three because we have virtually no insde presence...especially last night when Speedy sat Dubar and that's whenb we went on our winning run...did you guys listen to the San Jose coach's press conference? Very insighful re: the difficulty in preparing for and guarding us.
If Williams ever comes back...and what's with the other bigs...we will be more of an inside/outside threat...LOOKIN FORWARD!

[EvanJ]

Evan, that 2005-06 team beat George Mason twice, once when they were ranked in the top 25. I would say those were pretty good wins.

I was referring to what the Selection Committee knew, meaning before they went to the Final Four. George Mason was a mid-major that did not win its regular season or conference tournament, and had not been to any of the previous four NCAA Tournaments. Beating a team in a top conference with an RPI 10 spots worse than George Mason might have helped get an at-large bid more than beating George Mason.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sjsuspartans.c ... aN1822.PDF is a 20 page statistics PDF including how long each team used each combination of players and their statistics per minute. I do not remember seeing that before.

[triplec2195]

I didn't see the game so elated to see a win in the morning. Thanks for all the perspectives on the game for sure a tale of two halves. I think we have to realize that this is a team that for the most part will rely on shooting the three ball. We don't like to admit it but look at our stats after our first three games we were ranked number 5 in the country in 3 point percentage. Maybe the coaching staff is buying into this but such a small sample size. If it ain't broke why try to fix it could be the philosophy and a 3 is definitely better then a two any way you look at it. What I've seen from this team like no other team certainly in recent memory is their ball movement and working for open shots. This is a philosophy the coaches have preached and the team has bought into so hopefully we keep this approach and hit OPEN three's not try to make CIRCUS shots like we had to in the past. This is no longer a one and two player team it seems like everyone is capable of scoring but without the constant ONE ON ONE OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY. So great win its a 40 minute game so lets just dwell on the final score because after all that's all that counts and D-Stone stop shooting so many three's too streaky a shooter to rely on the three.

Right now we are relying on the three because we have virtually no insde presence...especially last night when Speedy sat Dubar and that's whenb we went on our winning run...did you guys listen to the San Jose coach's press conference? Very insighful re: the difficulty in preparing for and guarding us.
If Williams ever comes back...and what's with the other bigs...we will be more of an inside/outside threat...LOOKIN FORWARD!

I’ll have to listen to the post presser from San Jose coach. I wonder if they’re getting Willians ready for the Purdue game surely there will be a height disadvantage in that game. It doesn’t make sense to rush him back only for him to re- injure himself.