MBB vs. JMU, Saturday, 2/5/22, 2 PM

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Hofstra wrote:Going to OT. The last minute of that game was pathetic, yet again. 3 turnovers in the last minute. Why cant we correct anything? This is so tiring. Win or lose, this was terrible.
Go to the foul line more than just twice in the second half for the second straight home game instead of chucking 3s, and it probably never comes to that.
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Wags wrote:
Hofstra wrote:Going to OT. The last minute of that game was pathetic, yet again. 3 turnovers in the last minute. Why cant we correct anything? This is so tiring. Win or lose, this was terrible.
Go to the foul line more than just twice in the second half for the second straight home game instead of chucking 3s, and it probably never comes to that.

Agreed. Cant just chuck up shots and hope they go in. Have to distribute like you mentioned. Find an open shot. They are just shooting shots.
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Re: MBB vs. JMU, Saturday, 2/5/22, 2 PM

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Estrada bails us out, again. Kid is great. Cant say enough good things about him.

Terrible effort late from this team though. Barely got through that game
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Now that was ugly…Estrada carried. Us on his back. Credit to JMU, they played zone and dared us to chuck threes and we obliged…they played us tough and scored at will inside.

Good news is that, despite horrendous play at the end of regulation, we prevail…well at least the UNCW game will be interesting.
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anyone who attended the game. How as the crowd? How many and were they loud? Was the student section filled?
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Watched on Flo, always a challenge…decent looking crowd, I would estimate it close to 3,000…lower level of student section looked good. Even had quite a few in the second tier.

Thank God we won this game so maybe a few will come back on Monday.

We’ll need all the help we can get.
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If we have over 2,500 at least the arena is half filled. Need to build on that. John I posted a suggestion in mens and womens attendance . Let me know what you think.
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Re: MBB vs. JMU, Saturday, 2/5/22, 2 PM

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As others have said - pitiful ball movement and effort to drive/go into the paint, just keep chucking up threes.

I think Bey has the worst set of hands on a BB player that I have ever seen. And if he could hit a layup, he would probably ave 4-6 pts more per game than he does! YIKES!!!

As Husid stated, based on flohoops it looked to me like a decent crowd.
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Not sure of the numbers but largest crowd in a long time. Lower student section was filled - I’d say upper was about 1/4 full. Wasn’t the loudest crowd though much better at end of regulation and OT. Hopefully more will return after the win.

Thorny a 5p start time is tough for everyone on Monday. Probably going to miss my first home game in some time.

That’s said offense has very little flow and without Estrada carrying them they would have lost. Ray and cooks look bad from 3 again. I just don’t see the great shooting team we keep getting told about.

Thought Burgess had another good game and hope his injury is minor. He had 5 assists about halfway through today and looks confident with the ball. He should be in on end of game situations. No matter who the player at we have we can never easily beat a press defense. How Simmons ended up with the ball on one inbound is beyond me. Its should be the #1 thing they practice.


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We won 85-78 after it was tied at 71 after regulation. JMU made a free throw to go up 72-71, and Dubar's three with 3:50 left gave us the lead for good. Estrada scored 35 by shooting 13-21 (twos 7-11 and threes 6-10) and free throws 3-3. He had 6 rebounds. Unusually for him, he had more turnovers (4) than assists (3), but we still had a great ratio because Ray, Cooks, and Burgess combined to have 17 assists and 3 turnovers. Cooks had 16 points, 4 assists, and 2 steals. He shot twos well (5-8), threes poorly (1-6), and shot free throws 3-3 with 2 of them with 11 seconds left in overtime. Dubar had 12 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 steals. He shot well by making all 3 twos and 2 of 5 threes. Ray scored 8 by shooting 3-11 with 1 made two and the rest of the attemps being threes. He missed hsi only free throw to not get a three-point play, and we did not score after getting the offensive rebound. He had 4 rebounds, 8 assists, and 5 steals. According to the Sports Reference College Basketball Play Index, he became the first Hofstra player from 2010-2011 to now to have that many points, rebounds, assists, and steals. He was the eighth player to do that this season, and the first CAA player to do that since Delaware's Jarvis Threatt on March 1, 2014. George Mason's Cam Long on January 27, 2011 was the only other CAA player to do that from 2010-2011 to now. Iyiola had 8 points, 7 rebounds, and 1 block. Simmons scored 6 without missing, had 2 blocks, but had only 2 rebounds, and 4 fouls. Burgess did not score in 14 minutes with 1 missed two and 1 missed three. He had 5 assists and 1 turnover, and he could re-enter the CAA's top 15 in assists per game. Silverio did not score. He missed 4 shots that were all threes, and did not shoot after 4:09 left in the first half, which includes 12:28 that he played.

Charles Falden led JMU with 25 points by shooting 11-16 including threes 3-5, and had 5 rebounds. Vado Morse scored 21 by shooting shooting 8-17, which were about evenly split between twos 4-8 and threes 4-9. He had 4 rebounds and 4 assists. Alonzo Sule had 10 points and 4 rebounds. Tyree Ihenacho shot 1-3 to score 2 and led them with 7 rebounds. Julien Wooden scored 8 and led them with 5 assists, which is surprising because he entered averaging 1.4 assists. Justin Amadi had 7 points and 4 rebounds. Terrence Edwards shot field goals 1-6, and 3 of his 5 points were free throws. Devon Savage shot 0-3 in 14 scoreless minutes. Jalen Hodge, who entered averaging 14.6 minutes, had no shots and 1 rebound in 2 minutes.

Here is a team statistics comparison with us before them and bold meaning we were better:

Field goals: 34-70 = .486, 31-65 = .477 (they shot .4769 today and entered shooting .4771)
Twos: 23-34 = .676, 23-45 = .511
Threes: 11-36 = .306, 8-20 = .400 (allowing .400 is bad, but they made half of their threes when we won at JMU)
Free throws: 6-7 = .857, 8-11 = .727
Rebounds: 35, 38
Defensive rebounds: 27, 29
Offensive rebounds: 8, 9
Assists: 22, 17
Steals: 9, 5 (JMU entered averaging 9.65 steals)
Blocks: 3, 1
Fouls: 14, 12
Turnovers: 12, 17
Assists/turnovers: 22/12 = 1.83, 17/17 = 1
Points off turnovers: 18, 20 (it's bad to have 5 fewer turnovers but allow more points off turnovers)
Second chance points: 2, 8
Bench points: 22, 12 (16 from Cooks and 6 from Simmons)
Points in the paint: 38, 40
Fast break points: 11, 0 (I'm surprised that JMU had 20 points off turnovers without any of them being fast breaks)
Time leading: 37:08, 3:47 (tied for 4:05)

We led in 11 of those 19 statistics.

Estrada raised his average from 17.3 to 18.0. Morse, who is second in the CAA, increased from 15.6 to 15.9. Unless John Meeks scores 27 or Jaylen Sims scores 43, Morse will remain second in the CAA. Other points changes were Cooks from 14.9 to 15.0, Ray from 14.1 to 13.8, Dubar dropping by 0.004 to remain at 12.1, Silverio from 10.4 to 9.9 (so we don't have five double-digit scorers), Iyiola increasing by 0.003 to remain at 7.9, Simmons from 2.9 to 3.3, and Burgess from 1.6 to 1.5. It's the first time since after his sixth game that Silverio averaged under 10. Our free throw percentage went up from .806 to .807, and the CAA record is .810. Our record is .802.

If you think we shot threes poorly, Towson shot 1-15 and could not come back in a 58-53 loss at Northeastern to end a 12 game losing streak. Cameron Holden and Charles Thompson combined to score 35 and shoot 12-20, but the rest of Towson's players scored 18. Nicolas Timberlake shot 3-15 and missed all 9 threes. Chris Doherty led Northeastern with 14 points and 10 rebounds. The two leading scorers in that game combined to score the same amount as Estrada. Towson entered averaging 36.6 rebounds and had a season-low 19.

Elon is trying to beat both of the southernmost teams as they lead 45-38 hosting Charleston. UNCW is back on track and leads 62-48 at W&M. UNCW's Mike Okauru (6-7), W&M's Coonor Kochera (4-4), and W&M's Tyler Rice (2-3) combined to make 12 of 14 threes. Okauru's 24 are the third most by a CAA player today behind Estrada and Falden, and Okauru will probably exceed Falden's 25.
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Games attendance was recorded at 3,793 WOW! thats what it should be on the weekend.
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https://gohofstra.com/news/2022/2/5/men ... dison.aspx is titled "MBB: Hofstra Wins Overtime Thriller Over James Madison."

https://gohofstra.com/sports/mens-baske ... core/11484 is the box score. The attendance was 3,793, which ended a streak of seven home games with under 2,000. It was our highest home attendance since we got 3,843 in a 97-81 win over JMU to end the regular season on February 29, 2020. We got 4,649 against them on JWF's Senior Day that we blew and lost 104-99 in overtime on February 23, 2019. I'm not checking, but it must be rare for us to get at least 3,793 in three consecutive games against the same team.

JMU did not write a recap yet.

Edit: UNCW arguably had three of the best five CAA players today. Look at these teammates statistics which are often good enough to be the best player in a game:

Mike Okauru: 30 points, 11-15 field goals, 8-10 threes, 4 assists
Shykeim Phllips: 18 points, 7-8 field goals, 4 assists, 3 blocks, 5 steals
Jaylen Fornes: 19 points, 7-10 field goals, 5-8 threes, 9 assists, 1 turnover

Edit: UNCW won 92-70 at W&M. Charleston came back to take their first lead with 57 seconds left, and Nick Farrar scored with 2 seconds left to win 66-64 at Elon. Farrar scored 23, and he entered averaging 4.5. Teammate Reyne Smith, who entered averaging 12.7 points and 2.9 threes made, shot 0-11 including threes 0-8, and made 4 free throws. Charleston's four players who average double-digits combined to score 21, which was under one-third of their points.
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EvanJ wrote:
Jojogunne wrote: I did not realize that four of our players have missed at least three-quarters of the season.
I'm not saying they missed three-quarters. They haven't played three-quarters, which means they missed over one-quarter. 75 percent of 22 is 16.5. Cooks (16), Cramer (16), Carlos (16), and Simmons (7) are below that. Cooks, Cramer and Carlos will qualify after Monday if they play in the next two games. Carlos isn't among any leaders, and Cramer would re-enter the blocked shots leaders.
Thanks for clarifying.
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stuball888 wrote:anyone who attended the game. How as the crowd? How many and were they loud? Was the student section filled?
The crowd was great, the Lion's Den was filled and vocal, like old times. The ironic thing is JMU handled that fine and it was the home team that was rattled at the end of regulation.
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stuball888 wrote:Games attendance was recorded at 3,793 WOW! thats what it should be on the weekend.
People love free stuff. It's amazing that's what it takes. For years, they have always cheered more for free t-shirts during timeouts than for good play during the games. :roll: But the Lion's Den was into it today. Shame there are so many home games during the break each year, but just how it is. Every time there is that first home game with a good Lion's Den, and it seems to get rolling for a couple of games with that, it always winds down so fast after that. This year, it's a bit different though. Big game on Monday and then four straight home games to close, so maybe today will have started some momentum and the Den turns out in full force the rest of the way.
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HUSID80 wrote:Watched on Flo, always a challenge…decent looking crowd, I would estimate it close to 3,000…lower level of student section looked good. Even had quite a few in the second tier.

Thank God we won this game so maybe a few will come back on Monday.

We’ll need all the help we can get.
It almost looked like they could've even opened up some of the closed sections - that's how good all of the open sections were filled today.
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Hofstra wrote:Estrada bails us out, again. Kid is great. Cant say enough good things about him.
I can see why he tried to play at a big-time program like Oregon with what he's able to do. Love the very strong mid-range he has. That's what opens it up for him from 3 and to drive and distribute to others. But this is where he belongs, a level higher than St. Peter's but lower than Oregon, like HU, in a decent, competitive mid-major league like the CAA, where he can dominate. What he's doing of late, with three recent 30-point games, after he never had one before that, is an impressive way to step up.
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To add on to the Estrada praise here. I think one of the keys is he doesn’t ever seem to force anything. If it isn’t there on a play he makes the pass to get someone else setup.
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HofstraMathew wrote:To add on to the Estrada praise here. I think one of the keys is he doesn’t ever seem to force anything. If it isn’t there on a play he makes the pass to get someone else setup.
Noticed this late in regulation today- he had made some key buckets and a big 3 just before (I think on the prior possession) and he was about to step into another one until the defender closed out on him and instead of forcing it, he stopped his shooting motion, pulled back and passed.
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Before I left for the game today, thinking about this being JMU's last CAA game (maybe last game period) in Hempstead, I thought it would be fitting if the game went to OT because I recalled some memorable OT games between HU and JMU.

So, I had to look at Hofstra's OT history against CAA opponents, and I found some things that surprised me (wondering if these surprised anyone else):
* I knew JMU was high on the list, but I didn't realize that it was as many as 8 OT games after today (I thought maybe 5-6 at most).
* I thought W&M might be as much or more than JMU, but they're only 4th on the list with 5 (Drexel and UNCW actually more).
* When I saw it was 8 for JMU, I thought 2 or 3 had to be at JMU, but nope... 7 of the 8 at home. I was probably at all of them but didn't remember as many as 6 others before today.

Also thought this was interesting:
18% (7 of 39) all-time meetings with JMU went to OT. That's why I'm kind of sad to see the Dukes go. Hofstra had a fun history with them.

Hofstra's CAA overtime history (all in the regular season except the CAA final vs. UNCW and the CAA semis vs. W&M and Delware):

5-3 vs JMU
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3-2 vs UNCW
2-3 vs Drexel
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2-2 vs William & Mary
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1-2 vs Northeastern
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1-0 vs Towson
1-0 vs Delaware
0-1 vs George Mason
0-1 vs VCU
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