MBB Game 21 @ Monmouth, Jan 27 (Sat), 2 PM

[dutchPride86]

And with that we can probably kiss any realistic shot at a top 4 seed (and a legitimate chance to win the league) out the window.

Not gonna scream about the foul calls, nothing to get mad about with Tyler's shot selection, the overall shot distribution, or a slow start today. Hofstra just is not a tough enough group to be an elite team this year, period.

Turnovers against pressure defense, missed FTs, zero playable size behind a starting center who can't stay out of of foul trouble. Those are the real Achilles heels of this team that can't be fixed.

A tougher team finds a way to win the St Louis, Northeastern, Campbell, and today's game. Hofstra sadly isn't that team

[mikey75]

Washington is a template for the team - hits two clutch free throws then that dumb foul. I used to watch trying to figure out who would be the hero - now i watch to see who will make the big mistake.

[cactus]

Always a chance in March because they have talented players in a bad league. But they are just not a good team. 50 points at half and they lose this game? We've been lucky to watch pretty good Hofstra teams year after year for the last 10 seasons, and we've been expecting this team to be one too. We've been worried about bad starts, bad halves, bad games, attributing it to effort, coaching, whatever. But maybe this is just what they are.

[HUSID80]

Very deflating loss...you just knew that when we get a good first half we were due for a poor one.
Momouth switched their defense in the second half doubling on the ball, especially Thomas and we had no answer.
But come on! The fouls were ridiculous! Monmouth went to the line 37 TIMES!!!!!!! 37 times!!!! and the refs let Rice do whatever he wanted,
In addition, without Fritz we are done...no one to back him up...Sunday was miserable...not a CAA level player...couldn't even keep his feet!
WHERE IS TOMASCO???? At least he could get up and down the court without falling down!

[mikey75]

Yes, Sunday very disappointing. Almost afraid he'll hurt himself out there. Season got off on the wrong foot with Wilmouth going down. Then Tomasco.
What's the word with Parnell? The program has stepped back unfortunately.

[Mark19th]

Five turnovers by JC. Fritz only playing a little over half a game. Letting Rice, the only Monmouth player who could possibly beat you, actually beat you. That’s on Speedy. Bad day in Jersey.


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[Wags]

Very deflating loss...you just knew that when we get a good first half we were due for a poor one.
Momouth switched their defense in the second half doubling on the ball, especially Thomas and we had no answer.
But come on! The fouls were ridiculous! Monmouth went to the line 37 TIMES!!!!!!! 37 times!!!! and the refs let Rice do whatever he wanted

32 times, but same point. Although, the fouls were close (19 for Hofstra, 17 for Monmouth and 7 fouls each in the first half when Monmouth had a 13-3 advantage in FTA). It's also the approach though. When you attack, you'll get some calls (especially at home) that you may not deserve. When your reputation is to settle for perimeter shots (as Hofstra) often does, you often won't get those calls. So, if you want fouls to even out, change your approach.

Also, don't foul on a 3-point attempt FOUR TIMES in the same game! This is nothing new, they have made a recent habit over the last few games of fouling on 3s. Maybe learn from that??? Especially with the game on the line?!

Bottom line, good teams find ways to win. Bad teams or mediocre teams find a myriad of different ways to lose. We've seen the repeated bad starts. Today, they put up 50 in first half and were up 13, and yet it's the second half that costs them today. So, 4-4 in the league is deserving and fitting at this point.

Dubar and Thomas were the offense in the second half (11 each of HU's 28 second-half points). Can't have Carlos score ZERO as he did playing the entire second half in a game this close. He scores even four and maybe they pull it out.

When they needed someone, anyone, to step up offensively just a little bit in the second half besides Dubar and Thomas, Washington questionably plays 17 minutes in the second half, taking (and missing) only one shot and scoring only two points at the line while Plotnikov only gets 10 minutes (two shots, didn't score) in the second half the game after Speedy said on Thursday that they are both defensive players but Plotnikov "is shooting the ball a little better right now." Reminds me of "He’s going to have a big role here this season" after the Princeton game, talking about Barrouk, who has been in witness protection since then. And of course, it was Washington (supposedly in for D, I guess) who committed the foul on the Rice 3 to give Rice the 3 FTs that won it at the end.

Thomas hit his 3s today (5/10) but it's the same approach - 10 of 16 shots from 3, only 2 FTA (missed one of those). What happens next time, if he's 3/12 from 3 on 17 shots because the approach never changes? Half of Rice's shots 16 shots were from 3 today but (all deserved or not) he got to the line 13 times and missed all but one. You want things to go your way, change your approach. You want to keep saying you were right there but came up just short again, keep doing what you're doing.

Finally starting to see some clear separation at the top now (no surprise at all who those four are) ahead of the muddled middle (which is where Hofstra is right now):

Drexel 8-1
Towson & Charleston 6-2
UNCW 5-3 (missed a chance to join Towson & Charleston by losing at Stony Brook in OT today)

Delaware, Hofstra, Stony Brook, NC A&T, Monmouth, Campbell all at 4-4

W&M & Northeastern 3-5
Elon 2-6

Hampton 0-9

[dutchPride86]

Five turnovers by JC. Fritz only playing a little over half a game. Letting Rice, the only Monmouth player who could possibly beat you, actually beat you. That’s on Speedy. Bad day in Jersey.


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Not defending Speedy at all, but Fritz only playing half the game was because of foul trouble, unfair to put his minutes today on Speedy. Speedy would probably play Fritz all 40 min every game at this point if he could considering what Sunday looks like. Now if you want to blame the staff for Sunday's lack of a development that's a different story

On the letting the best player beat you point, it's been a recurring problem for them in league play no argument there...

-Rice went for 31 today
-Gabe Dorsey had 26 and 8 3s for W&M
-Dell'Orso had 29 (and 10-12 FTs) for Campbell
-Sakota had his CAA high with 19 for Northeastern

[Wags]

Five turnovers by JC. Fritz only playing a little over half a game. Letting Rice, the only Monmouth player who could possibly beat you, actually beat you. That’s on Speedy. Bad day in Jersey.

Speedy noted the TOs & points off live-ball TOs, and not stopping Rice in the postgame interview. He also mentioned the fouling on 3s four times. Not sure if that was a point of emphasis before the game. It should have been because it happened in a few prior games (to lesser degrees) before this one, but you cannot do that and it cost them today, especially the last time it happened.

It was definitely part of the gameplan to key on Rice and not let him beat them. And it's always part of the gameplan to take care of the ball, but they obviously didn't stop Rice and very key stat: outscored 13-2 off TOs. So, I think chalk this one up less to Speedy and staff and more lack of execution on the players' part for not executing the gameplan effectively enough, mainly with trying to stop Rice. He's a good player though, and good players will find a way to produce even when focused on.

Speedy's right about the 13-2 but I think they primarily lost this game by not having really anyone besides Dubar and Thomas score in the second half. Have to get more than just six total points from everyone else besides the 22 from Dubar & Thomas in the second half.

Tough one to lose when they led for 31:27 and Monmouth led for only 7:09. But those are the types of ones that good teams don't lose.

[Jojogunne]

Five turnovers by JC. Fritz only playing a little over half a game. Letting Rice, the only Monmouth player who could possibly beat you, actually beat you. That’s on Speedy. Bad day in Jersey.

Speedy noted the TOs & points off live-ball TOs, and not stopping Rice in the postgame interview. He also mentioned the fouling on 3s four times. Not sure if that was a point of emphasis before the game. It should have been because it happened in a few prior games (to lesser degrees) before this one, but you cannot do that and it cost them today, especially the last time it happened.

It was definitely part of the gameplan to key on Rice and not let him beat them. And it's always part of the gameplan to take care of the ball, but they obviously didn't stop Rice and very key stat: outscored 13-2 off TOs. So, I think chalk this one up less to Speedy and staff and more lack of execution on the players' part for not executing the gameplan effectively enough, mainly with trying to stop Rice. He's a good player though, and good players will find a way to produce even when focused on.

Speedy's right about the 13-2 but I think they primarily lost this game by not having really anyone besides Dubar and Thomas score in the second half. Have to get more than just six total points from everyone else besides the 22 from Dubar & Thomas in the second half.

Tough one to lose when they led for 31:27 and Monmouth led for only 7:09. But those are the types of ones that good teams don't lose.

You only have to lead at the end.

[joeg1]

Damn it.

[triplec2195]

Just got finished watching the replay and the game for the first time. Too bad I knew the ending. Lots of great points made here. A very competitive game too bad we lost!

Quote Wags; Bottom line, good teams find ways to win. Bad teams or mediocre teams find a myriad of different ways to lose. We've seen the repeated bad starts. Today, they put up 50 in first half and were up 13, and yet it's the second half that costs them today. So, 4-4 in the league is deserving and fitting at this point.

Quote Dutch Pride 86; Turnovers against pressure defense, missed FTs, zero playable size behind a starting center who can't stay out of of foul trouble. Those are the real Achilles heels of this team that can't be fixed.A tougher team finds a way to win the St Louis, Northeastern, Campbell, and today's game. Hofstra sadly isn't that team.

We're a team with no depth in the post. We can play 5 guards and be effective but Monmouth had one BIG player come off the bench after another and to be fair to Fritz that's a tall order for him and Dubar or Dubar by himself when Fritz is on the bench. That other guy we have 7' sadly just A TREE that's it a TREE that doesn't bend much. He doesn't/can't shoot and in this game he was having trouble staying on his feet. Small guards can score over him and when he touches the ball he RARELY can hold onto it.Most of the time just taking up space! I can see how people ask where Tomasco is because everything is relevant but as bad as Tomasco was probably better then Sunday, NO?? So many things to point fingers at Carlos 1-6 and 6 points and 5 TURNOVERS bad game right but wait what about his 8 assists?? Fouls on three point shooters 4X so what do people think about Tyler's last three. Surely looks like he got fouled? While these refs are calling all these fouls what about that one.

[ZMAN3]

Bad play by Washington but Rice kicked out both legs.College officials ignore it while the NBA calls offensive fouls (at least some time)

[stuball888]

Didnt William and Mary have a guard who did that on every shot
I believe its up to the coach to discuss that before the game
I also believe when we played later that year the officials looked for it and called two offensive fouls on that player

[Wags]

Bad play by Washington but Rice kicked out both legs.College officials ignore it while the NBA calls offensive fouls (at least some time)

The NBA changed the rule on this. Shooters used to use this a lot. NBA refs are now supposed to always calls this an offensive foul. What happened to just trying to make the shot instead of trying something sneaky and looking for a bailout?

[Cards]

Didnt William and Mary have a guard who did that on every shot

Stu - You must be thinking of Marcus Thornton. Great player and shooter. And of course, if you got close to him while he was taking a jump shot, he would kick out the leg to draw a foul. I think he was the best I ever saw at getting that call.

[Wags]

Didnt William and Mary have a guard who did that on every shot

Stu - You must be thinking of Marcus Thornton. Great player and shooter. And of course, if you got close to him while he was taking a jump shot, he would kick out the leg to draw a foul. I think he was the best I ever saw at getting that call.

And yet, Thornton beat us with the pass, finding Daniel Dixon for yet another game-winner against HU (like he did in Hempstead once) on that left corner jumper in Baltimore to keep fifth-seeded HU from taking out top-seeded W&M and getting to the CAA finals that year.

[ZMAN3]

Probably the reason for opponents best player beating us is there isn't a defensive stopper/player in current rotation. Team is undersized both weight and height wise (except for Sunday who's problem is he can't play on any of the other days that end in Y)

[Wags]

Probably the reason for opponents best player beating us is there isn't a defensive stopper/player in current rotation. Team is undersized both weight and height wise (except for Sunday who's problem is he can't play on any of the other days that end in Y)

I shouldn't laugh but

[HUSID80]

I really don't get this undersized thing...we put out 6-10, 6-8, 6-5 (plotnikov) 6-3 and Carlos, a generous 5-10...he's the only one small in stature.
It's the bench that is killing us...Washington 6-3, Robinson 6-3 and the statue, Sunday.