Re: Men's Basketball Game 28 vs. Drexel: 2/17/2018 at 4:00 P
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:19 pm
Overall, very good win. We play so much better in man- our 2-3 is a fiasco.
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I made a mistake. It was Wormley who didn't attempt a shot.HofstraMathew wrote:EvanJ - great analysis. Two comments
1. Radovic did shoot one three pointer and missed it.
Drexel had a 6-9 and a 6-8. Their third tallest starter was 6-3. Hofstra has Gustys at 6-9 and Trueheart at 6-8.Pride97 wrote: I think a big issue in the 1st half - other than letting Isabell drive the lane at will - was the mismatch at the forward position. Trueheart got pulled early for Ray and I don’t think he saw the floor again in the half. We were constantly guarding a 6-8ish forward with a guard.
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What's interesting is that two years ago, there was a constant debate on this board about the main guys (and I think, primarily the three main guys) supposedly getting gassed from overuse and a thin bench.daHUPride wrote:Nice back to back W's - sorry missed going to both of them.
Hope we are peaking at the right time - the three main guys - JFW, RG, EP - seem to be playing their best ball and it is imperative that they do. But are not winning with out our next three - DB, ST, JR - also giving us quality playing time.
At this stage - although I am a big proponent of using a deeper bench - I am OK with those 6 getting the majority of minutes - and a sprinkling of the end of the bench - HS, KW, MR - and if those guys get hot run with them - but our top 6 clearly are going to carry us.
My understanding of the complaints/concerns 2 years ago were not about the starting 3 but the starting 5. They were only using 6/7 players with Buie coming off the bench for Green and Sabety coming in for ROK. That year all of the 5 starters were playing the majority of the game minutes unless we ran into untoward circumstances EG foul trouble etc. ROK being a big kid needs to be spelled for minutes. This years team is an entirely different situation after you get past JWF and EP. ROK is still getting his minutes off which is mandatory but the 4th and fifth starters are not playing that many minutes. ST by your own figures is getting 14.5 Koon was getting 35.6. JR is getting 20.3 while Bernardi was getting 36. There were a total of 7 players getting any minutes to speak off (one being Sabety who doesn't get a lot) but now we have 10 players getting substantial minutes. IMO this is a big difference from what happened two years ago but Joe always played it down. Really our rotation now is working for us and is a big plus in keeping everyone fresh and the bench players are contributing they're not just taking up space. Without ST and JR we would have lost some of those games that r in the W column. I'm really happy with the way things have panned out with our player rotation and maybe JA injury got ST more minutes to show how versatile a player he is. What happens if JA gets healthy??Wags wrote:What's interesting is that two years ago, there was a constant debate on this board about the main guys (and I think, primarily the three main guys) supposedly getting gassed from overuse and a thin bench.daHUPride wrote:Nice back to back W's - sorry missed going to both of them.
Hope we are peaking at the right time - the three main guys - JFW, RG, EP - seem to be playing their best ball and it is imperative that they do. But are not winning with out our next three - DB, ST, JR - also giving us quality playing time.
At this stage - although I am a big proponent of using a deeper bench - I am OK with those 6 getting the majority of minutes - and a sprinkling of the end of the bench - HS, KW, MR - and if those guys get hot run with them - but our top 6 clearly are going to carry us.
While the team is deeper and minutes from the 4th rotation guy down are spaced out more, the three main guys HU counted on two years ago are very similar in minutes to the three main guys they're counting on now, yet there has been no concern here all season about the minutes for this year's main trio.
2015-16:
Green 37.7
Tanskley 34.7
Gustys 30.4
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Bernardi 36.0
Koon 35.6
Nichols 18.1 (hurt after 20 games; also, in evaluating this current regime, we forget about that injury. He was a big key, might've won it all with him).
Buie 12.6
Walker 4.8
JWF 4.1
2017-18:
JWF 37.9
Eli 34.4
Gustys 30.0
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Buie 21.1
Ray 20.3
Angus 17.1
Wormley 15.3
Trueheart 14.5
Radovic 10.8
Sabety 8.9
If the debate two years ago was from the 4th rotation guy down, what we heard two years ago vs. the silence on that this year makes sense. But I don't think many were complaining all that much about the minutes for Bernardi and Koon (other than that Bernardi should've played less because of his cold shooting streaks and defensive inefficiencies, but not because of fatigue). I think the complaint was mainly about the top three rotation guys (Green, Tanksley and Gustys). If so, there's really no difference between their minutes two years ago and the minutes for JWF, Eli and Gustys this year.
Being deeper and spreading out the minutes so the 4th and 5th rotation guys aren't as taxed as Bernardi and Koon were is obviously different/better? this year.triplec2195 wrote:My understanding of the complaints/concerns 2 years ago were not about the starting 3 but the starting 5. They were only using 6/7 players with Buie coming off the bench for Green and Sabety coming in for ROK. That year all of the 5 starters were playing the majority of the game minutes unless we ran into untoward circumstances EG foul trouble etc. ROK being a big kid needs to be spelled for minutes. This years team is an entirely different situation after you get past JWF and EP. ROK is still getting his minutes off which is mandatory but the 4th and fifth starters are not playing that many minutes. ST by your own figures is getting 14.5 Koon was getting 35.6. JR is getting 20.3 while Bernardi was getting 36. There were a total of 7 players getting any minutes to speak off (one being Sabety who doesn't get a lot) but now we have 10 players getting substantial minutes. IMO this is a big difference from what happened two years ago but Joe always played it down. Really our rotation now is working for us and is a big plus in keeping everyone fresh and the bench players are contributing they're not just taking up space. Without ST and JR we would have lost some of those games that r in the W column. I'm really happy with the way things have panned out with our player rotation and maybe JA injury got ST more minutes to show how versatile a player he is. What happens if JA gets healthy??Wags wrote:What's interesting is that two years ago, there was a constant debate on this board about the main guys (and I think, primarily the three main guys) supposedly getting gassed from overuse and a thin bench.daHUPride wrote:Nice back to back W's - sorry missed going to both of them.
Hope we are peaking at the right time - the three main guys - JFW, RG, EP - seem to be playing their best ball and it is imperative that they do. But are not winning with out our next three - DB, ST, JR - also giving us quality playing time.
At this stage - although I am a big proponent of using a deeper bench - I am OK with those 6 getting the majority of minutes - and a sprinkling of the end of the bench - HS, KW, MR - and if those guys get hot run with them - but our top 6 clearly are going to carry us.
While the team is deeper and minutes from the 4th rotation guy down are spaced out more, the three main guys HU counted on two years ago are very similar in minutes to the three main guys they're counting on now, yet there has been no concern here all season about the minutes for this year's main trio.
2015-16:
Green 37.7
Tanskley 34.7
Gustys 30.4
-----------------
Bernardi 36.0
Koon 35.6
Nichols 18.1 (hurt after 20 games; also, in evaluating this current regime, we forget about that injury. He was a big key, might've won it all with him).
Buie 12.6
Walker 4.8
JWF 4.1
2017-18:
JWF 37.9
Eli 34.4
Gustys 30.0
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Buie 21.1
Ray 20.3
Angus 17.1
Wormley 15.3
Trueheart 14.5
Radovic 10.8
Sabety 8.9
If the debate two years ago was from the 4th rotation guy down, what we heard two years ago vs. the silence on that this year makes sense. But I don't think many were complaining all that much about the minutes for Bernardi and Koon (other than that Bernardi should've played less because of his cold shooting streaks and defensive inefficiencies, but not because of fatigue). I think the complaint was mainly about the top three rotation guys (Green, Tanksley and Gustys). If so, there's really no difference between their minutes two years ago and the minutes for JWF, Eli and Gustys this year.
Good points Wags.Wags wrote:What's interesting is that two years ago, there was a constant debate on this board about the main guys (and I think, primarily the three main guys) supposedly getting gassed from overuse and a thin bench.daHUPride wrote:Nice back to back W's - sorry missed going to both of them.
Hope we are peaking at the right time - the three main guys - JFW, RG, EP - seem to be playing their best ball and it is imperative that they do. But are not winning with out our next three - DB, ST, JR - also giving us quality playing time.
At this stage - although I am a big proponent of using a deeper bench - I am OK with those 6 getting the majority of minutes - and a sprinkling of the end of the bench - HS, KW, MR - and if those guys get hot run with them - but our top 6 clearly are going to carry us.
While the team is deeper and minutes from the 4th rotation guy down are spaced out more, the three main guys HU counted on two years ago are very similar in minutes to the three main guys they're counting on now, yet there has been no concern here all season about the minutes for this year's main trio.
2015-16:
Green 37.7
Tanskley 34.7
Gustys 30.4
-----------------
Bernardi 36.0
Koon 35.6
Nichols 18.1 (hurt after 20 games; also, in evaluating this current regime, we forget about that injury. He was a big key, might've won it all with him).
Buie 12.6
Walker 4.8
JWF 4.1
2017-18:
JWF 37.9
Eli 34.4
Gustys 30.0
---------------
Buie 21.1
Ray 20.3
Angus 17.1
Wormley 15.3
Trueheart 14.5
Radovic 10.8
Sabety 8.9
If the debate two years ago was from the 4th rotation guy down, what we heard two years ago vs. the silence on that this year makes sense. But I don't think many were complaining all that much about the minutes for Bernardi and Koon (other than that Bernardi should've played less because of his cold shooting streaks and defensive inefficiencies, but not because of fatigue). I think the complaint was mainly about the top three rotation guys (Green, Tanksley and Gustys). If so, there's really no difference between their minutes two years ago and the minutes for JWF, Eli and Gustys this year.
1. A Northeastern fan though Pusica sealed Player of the Year, and I objected. I think JWF will win, but I think Pusica is better. Regardless of how good Charleston is, I will be mad if anybody other than JWF or Pusica wins. Pusica is good enough that Northeastern is in second without anybody else averaging more than 9.8. Pusica shoots better than JWF. He averages exactly 5 assists, which is over 50% more than JWF, with a better assist/turnover ratio. Pusica has a little more rebounds and steals. JWF is great, but I think it's okay to be picky about Player of the Year, and I think Pusica has less to be picky about.Polito wrote: HU has the clear best player in the conf (and it's not close IMO), a budding all-conf star, and a 1st teamer who's going to break DAVID ROBINSON'S CAA rebounding record, which is astounding.
I thought on the 2015-16 team - Buie, JFW and Walker should have got more minutes - because we needed them. That team did not have Sabaty playing at all he was not eligible; we were also banking on the big transferring from Clemson - Djambo; Jamal Robinson was red shirting and Nicols got hurt. Never said that team had a deeper bench - I said I thought some players could have been used and benefited us.triplec2195 wrote:Good points Wags. PER daHUPride;
Back then I was a big on using the deeper bench - thought we had a better more versitile team that could absorb using younger players and give those younger players future experience, help certain guys from getting winded and also give us some differnet looks (a quicker team-with AW and DB) - specifically those younger players Buie and Walker.
This years bench - personally I dont feel has developed to the point that they give us quality minutes - I like what HS brings in the minutes he plays - KW I like his size in our backcourt, but short of a few games i dont see him earning extra minutes and MR I see some upside to his game but not yet.
Traditionally - I still believe in using a deep bench - but this years team our top 6 is the way to go.
I'm at a loss here. What deeper bench r u referring to? We really didn't have a bench. Buie got minutes and Sabety got some minutes Justin and Walker about 4 minutes a game. Realistically this current team is much deeper and give credit to the coach has gotten plenty of experience. JR has hit big time pressure shots which is amazing for a freshmen and has gotten a lot of minutes now ST starts and is playing well. KW has played with a lot more confidence lately really MR has not had quality playing time but is not really getting much playing time so it's hard to knock him. To say the bench is not giving us quality minutes couldn't be further from the truth it's the reason we have the record we do and some of the last minute heroics. Even when JR doesn't score much I feel he's giving us quality defense and ST the same is true with blocked shots and rebounds. The team two years ago would have won the whole enchilada if they had the depth we have now IMO!!
Evan - you make a good case for Pusica but i think the difference in scoring average puts JWF in the player of the year seat.EvanJ wrote:1. A Northeastern fan though Pusica sealed Player of the Year, and I objected. I think JWF will win, but I think Pusica is better. Regardless of how good Charleston is, I will be mad if anybody other than JWF or Pusica wins. Pusica is good enough that Northeastern is in second without anybody else averaging more than 9.8. Pusica shoots better than JWF. He averages exactly 5 assists, which is over 50% more than JWF, with a better assist/turnover ratio. Pusica has a little more rebounds and steals. JWF is great, but I think it's okay to be picky about Player of the Year, and I think Pusica has less to be picky about.Polito wrote: HU has the clear best player in the conf (and it's not close IMO), a budding all-conf star, and a 1st teamer who's going to break DAVID ROBINSON'S CAA rebounding record, which is astounding.
2. I don't think Gustys will make the First Team. Wright-Foreman and Pusica lead their teams in scoring by a lot. Charleston has three stars, and I think at least one makes the first team. William & Mary gets a lot from all of their starters. Then there's Martin, Seibring, Daly, Mosley, Isabell, and Cacok. Every team has a very good player. Would you complain about a First Team of Wright-Foreman, Pusica, Chealey or Riller, Knight, and Cacok?
They lost because Juan'ya happened to have the worst shooting game he could have (2/16) at the worst possible time after being a huge reason they got there in the first place. It happens (like Starks' 2/18 in Game 7 of the '94 finals).triplec2195 wrote:We had nothing left in that O/T session the way I recall it and UNCW used a lot of bench players the entire game. It really was the difference maker. This kid JWF is like Superman I think he plays an entire game and still has something left in his tank. If we should get into another O/T scenario we should be in a good place!!
The scoring average is because JWF has attempted 82% more field goals than Pusica. Pusica has attempted 9 more free throws. I'm fine with Isabell over Knight. I think almost all voters will include no more than two forwards and enough will think Cacok and Knight are better than Gustys to give Gustys a chance at the First Team.Cards wrote: Evan - you make a good case for Pusica but i think the difference in scoring average puts JWF in the player of the year seat.
Regarding Rok - I think your correct, he does not make first team. Cacock is having tooo big of a year to not make him the "big" man on 1st team.
Regarding the entire first team - i agree with all your picks other than Knight. i would put Isabell on first team. Oddly enough, Isalbell gets almost as any rebounds per game as Knight, yet isabell clearly can take over a game on the offensive side - something that I don't think Knight can do.